're afraid to go after medicare, medicaid and social security and defense spending and reform taxes to bring more revenue to the federal government, you have to rely on the 11%, 12% of the federal government that is discretionary. so what do you end up doing? since you're not going to tell the truth about having to cut medicare, medicaid, social security, defense spending, you know, reforming the tax code to bring in more revenue to the federal government, you've got to go after fema, which actually fema's not driving us into debt, look at the numbers. you've got to go after big bird, big bird's not driving us into debt, go after -- >> not going after the firefighters -- >> you've got to go where the money is. you rob the banks because that's where the money is. if you want to save america, you have to go where the money is. that's health care, that's medicare, medicaid, social security. you've got to reform them in a way. and i'm not saying voucher systems, this is about math. you've got to reform them in a way that would save those systems, save this country. and then you got to go after d